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Mike O's avatar

While I am not an expert by any means in foreign policy, there are two comments I would like to offer on your quote of Joe Biden: 1) Specifically relating to the Immigration deportations without due process, "PROCESS" is the issue, and pundits who spend most of their energy defending a couple of individuals with administrative issues, are missing the broader point that there are hundreds of residents, possibly (I can't say probably because there was no due process) not criminals, who have been deported inappropriately, and probably illegally. 2) Changing election PROCESSES would most likely result in elections with better representation of the citizens of our Republic. That is what we're working for at ReformElectionsNow.org -

Concerning the bombing of Iran nuclear facilities, there probably remain hundreds of kilos of fissionable material that still represents a risk for further refinement or inclusion in a 'dirty bomb.' Iran presents a clear risk (or is 'threat' the legally appropriate word here) to both the USA and Israel with frequent declarations of "Death to the US and Israel." Further, religious fanatics of any ilk (including Jews) can be very dangerous, because they look for their reward in Heaven and don't care if the world blows up to get them there. Finally, I hope the unpredictability of Trump along with his willingness to take risks can act as a major deterrent to both China (for Taiwan) and Russia (for extensions into the Baltics), both of whom have had their own issues with religious factions in their countries.

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David Schanzer's avatar

I did not mean to imply that due process is unimportant. It is a pillar of the rule of law and vital for ensuring fairness. Biden (and I) are talking about political arguments. If you are not engaging the core merits of the issue, but instead complaining about how you were treated or the lack of a good process - you are losing the political debate - just as Democrats (who are still complaining about a lack of a vote on the Fordo attacks, even after they were executed and seem to have been successful) are losing the debate on Iran. The nuclear threat from Iran has not been eliminated, but has been mitigated to some degree - how much remains uncertain. I don't think use of extensive military force is justified to bring that risk down to zero any more than I believe it is necessary to eliminate every single vestige of Hamas to provide Israeli's with an acceptable level of security. I agree that the Fordo attack should bolster American deterrence w/r/t Russia and China.

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David Schanzer's avatar

I did not mean to imply that due process is unimportant. It is a pillar of the rule of law and vital for ensuring fairness. Biden (and I) are talking about political arguments. If you are not engaging the core merits of the issue, but instead complaining about how you were treated or the lack of a good process - you are losing the political debate - just as Democrats (who are still complaining about a lack of a vote on the Fordo attacks, even after they were executed and seem to have been successful) are losing the debate on Iran. The nuclear threat from Iran has not been eliminated, but has been mitigated to some degree - how much remains uncertain. I don't think use of extensive military force is justified to bring that risk down to zero any more than I believe it is necessary to eliminate every single vestige of Hamas to provide Israeli's with an acceptable level of security. I agree that the Fordo attack should bolster American deterrence w/r/t Russia and China.

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David Schanzer's avatar

I did not mean to imply that due process is unimportant. It is a pillar of the rule of law and vital for ensuring fairness. Biden (and I) are talking about political arguments. If you are not engaging the core merits of the issue, but instead complaining about how you were treated or the lack of a good process - you are losing the political debate - just as Democrats (who are still complaining about a lack of a vote on the Fordo attacks, even after they were executed and seem to have been successful) are losing the debate on Iran. The nuclear threat from Iran has not been eliminated, but has been mitigated to some degree - how much remains uncertain. I don't think use of extensive military force is justified to bring that risk down to zero any more than I believe it is necessary to eliminate every single vestige of Hamas to provide Israeli's with an acceptable level of security. I agree that the Fordo attack should bolster American deterrence w/r/t Russia and China.

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sanford krieger's avatar

Trump's bombing action surely will strengthen Bibi's hands and his political position. Query: What is the greater existential threat to the Israel as we know it: Bibi's (and his coalition's) retaining power for the next say 5-10 years or Iran's purported imminent development a weapon of mass destruction and its use of that on Israel? Sandy Krieger

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David Schanzer's avatar

I know Iran has a messianic, end of days, bent, but I think that mutually assured destruction, which prevented war between the US and USSR for 40 years, and an all out war between India and Pakistan, would actually apply with respect to Iran and Israel. BB has been a master, at convincing Israelis that the existential threat to the Jewish state was in Tehran, not grappling with the problem right at their border. Maybe now mitigation of the Iranian nuclear threat will enable Israelis to focus on What should be right in front of their nose, that they have to deal with, not ignore or wish away the issue of the Palestinians.

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