I regret you feel that way, but I genuinely believe that Democrats are playing into Trump’s hand by resisting lawful, albeit harmful and misguided, immigration enforcement actions. I wish our country understood and was willing to implement common sense solutions to the problem that we have so many law abiding undocumented workers in our country and need then to run our economy. These solutions have been rejected in one way or another by the voters over and over again. I am afraid we will need to find out the hard way that that the concept of mass deportations violates our values and will damage us economically. Those impacts will take time to play out and sink in - but highlighting these ill effects is a far superior way to contest them than trying to block federal law enforcement with violence. 100%, super-disciplined protests with people laying down in the street and forcing the feds to take them into custody would also be effective, but whether in Seattle or Portland or now LA, the protestors do not have the leaders or discipline necessary to execute a truly nonviolent protest and the blowback from this violence undermines the rule-of-law values that our side needs to be the cornerstone of resistance to Trump.
I think this approach has strongly contributed to two Trump administrations and will lead to continued electoral losses if it is continued. Where is the evidence that violent street protests, as opposed to well organized, large scale peaceful protests, lead to increased public support for the issues being protested against? Physically obstructing officers attempting to engage in a lawful activity of detaining an undocumented migrant is itself a crime. If people want to engage in civil disobedience to protest this - fine with me (but I don't think this will garner the public's sympathy the same way the civil rights movement did). But the violence will of course backfire.
I’m not advocating violence, but it should be noted that officers also have obligations to the public when carrying out their lawful duties. It appears to me that most of the lawlessness is not being committed by the protestors in LA. I doubt those in the civil rights movement set out to garner the public’s sympathy, they were protesting injustice against those in their communities.
Respectfully, I believe you are missing the point of the protests. To suggest that any of us should accept the deployment of masked paramilitary thugs coming into our communities and abducting law abiding members, including women, children and citizens, let alone offer them protection, is wrongful thinking.
I think this approach has strongly contributed to two Trump administrations and will lead to continued electoral losses if it is continued. Where is the evidence that violent street protests, as opposed to well organized, large scale peaceful protests, lead to increased public support for the issues being protested against? Physically obstructing officers attempting to engage in a lawful activity of detaining an undocumented migrant is itself a crime. If people want to engage in civil disobedience to protest this - fine with me (but I don't think this will garner the public's sympathy the same way the civil rights movement did). The violence will of course backfire. If the predominant images resulting from mass deportations are ICE agents (especially if they indeed are uniformed as masked paramilitaries) mistreating women and children, then that is an effective messaging tool. If they are burning cars, the cause is lost. I hate to be so transactional - of course there are real people involved, but their fates are going to be determined in the immigration courts, I don't believe that obstructionist protests are ever going to succeed in blocking determined ICE agents from taking custody of those they are seeking.
Newsom is eyeing a presidential bid. If he responds with the National Guard he risks alienating a significant and growing part of the Democratic base which harms his chances of attaining the presidential nomination. Instead he can let Trump direct the crack down while acting as if he is against it. I think he’s banking on Trump and the Republicans being unpopular enough on other issues in 3 years that this won’t hurt him as badly we might think. Of course, politics like this is why we don’t have landslide elections anymore.
tv stations repeatedly are showing a car burning as evidence of chaos and violence, but Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom say there were a few isolated instances, so aren't the media to blame if these pix are misleading? I hope that Obama's record gets more attention and, of course, Congress should absolutely fix the dreadful immigration laws, but for now, ICE just seems to be going after commercial city workers (and high school students!!!) not the "rapists and murderers" he promised, and not the farm workers b/c that would really blow up food prices
I regret you feel that way, but I genuinely believe that Democrats are playing into Trump’s hand by resisting lawful, albeit harmful and misguided, immigration enforcement actions. I wish our country understood and was willing to implement common sense solutions to the problem that we have so many law abiding undocumented workers in our country and need then to run our economy. These solutions have been rejected in one way or another by the voters over and over again. I am afraid we will need to find out the hard way that that the concept of mass deportations violates our values and will damage us economically. Those impacts will take time to play out and sink in - but highlighting these ill effects is a far superior way to contest them than trying to block federal law enforcement with violence. 100%, super-disciplined protests with people laying down in the street and forcing the feds to take them into custody would also be effective, but whether in Seattle or Portland or now LA, the protestors do not have the leaders or discipline necessary to execute a truly nonviolent protest and the blowback from this violence undermines the rule-of-law values that our side needs to be the cornerstone of resistance to Trump.
I think this approach has strongly contributed to two Trump administrations and will lead to continued electoral losses if it is continued. Where is the evidence that violent street protests, as opposed to well organized, large scale peaceful protests, lead to increased public support for the issues being protested against? Physically obstructing officers attempting to engage in a lawful activity of detaining an undocumented migrant is itself a crime. If people want to engage in civil disobedience to protest this - fine with me (but I don't think this will garner the public's sympathy the same way the civil rights movement did). But the violence will of course backfire.
I’m not advocating violence, but it should be noted that officers also have obligations to the public when carrying out their lawful duties. It appears to me that most of the lawlessness is not being committed by the protestors in LA. I doubt those in the civil rights movement set out to garner the public’s sympathy, they were protesting injustice against those in their communities.
Respectfully, I believe you are missing the point of the protests. To suggest that any of us should accept the deployment of masked paramilitary thugs coming into our communities and abducting law abiding members, including women, children and citizens, let alone offer them protection, is wrongful thinking.
I think this approach has strongly contributed to two Trump administrations and will lead to continued electoral losses if it is continued. Where is the evidence that violent street protests, as opposed to well organized, large scale peaceful protests, lead to increased public support for the issues being protested against? Physically obstructing officers attempting to engage in a lawful activity of detaining an undocumented migrant is itself a crime. If people want to engage in civil disobedience to protest this - fine with me (but I don't think this will garner the public's sympathy the same way the civil rights movement did). The violence will of course backfire. If the predominant images resulting from mass deportations are ICE agents (especially if they indeed are uniformed as masked paramilitaries) mistreating women and children, then that is an effective messaging tool. If they are burning cars, the cause is lost. I hate to be so transactional - of course there are real people involved, but their fates are going to be determined in the immigration courts, I don't believe that obstructionist protests are ever going to succeed in blocking determined ICE agents from taking custody of those they are seeking.
This throws me into despair. How did you get things so backward?
Newsom is eyeing a presidential bid. If he responds with the National Guard he risks alienating a significant and growing part of the Democratic base which harms his chances of attaining the presidential nomination. Instead he can let Trump direct the crack down while acting as if he is against it. I think he’s banking on Trump and the Republicans being unpopular enough on other issues in 3 years that this won’t hurt him as badly we might think. Of course, politics like this is why we don’t have landslide elections anymore.
tv stations repeatedly are showing a car burning as evidence of chaos and violence, but Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom say there were a few isolated instances, so aren't the media to blame if these pix are misleading? I hope that Obama's record gets more attention and, of course, Congress should absolutely fix the dreadful immigration laws, but for now, ICE just seems to be going after commercial city workers (and high school students!!!) not the "rapists and murderers" he promised, and not the farm workers b/c that would really blow up food prices
WELL SAID. SOMTIMES POINTS ARE SO SUBTLE THAT YOU MISS THEM THE FIRST TIME AROUND.